Aiki nage or irimi nage

I'm constantly intrigued these days by the differences between the way I was taught many aikido techniques and the rest of not only the Tomiki world, but the Ueshiba world as well. Our whole dojo, as it happens, has been exploring those differences a lot lately, and it's been eye-opening, to say the least.

One such technique has been aiki nage, as it's called in Tomiki aikido, or irimi nage in Ueshiba circles (although irimi can mean a lot of things, it appears, but I won't get into to that here). In fact, we had a lengthy discussion on the forum about why the name is different at all, but I'm not sure anyone really knows.

At any rate, I'll try to describe the way I've always been shown (sorry, I don't have a video). The arm position is basically the same--the main hand centered in front, the palm sideways, the elbow out, the whole arm in a curved shape. But at the point of throw-- after spinning uke around in one direction and then reversing that direction and entering--tori simply keeps his hand in front of him and spins backwards in another circle, and let's that circle get slightly larger as he goes (like an ellipse).

Well, that method has never felt all that smooth to me, but I'll be the first to admit, that this may very well be because I don't really understand it. The Ueshiba irimi nage, however, is more linear. The arm position is more or less the same, but the arm sort of rises and then, once past uke's head, dips down again.


Now, from what I can tell, most Ueshiba schools seem to love making this throw as dynamic as possible. Sure, it looks pretty when you send uke flying through the air, but I wonder if they're a little too intent and getting a large, acrobatic throw out of it. I think that maybe one reason for the large acceleration of uke before the throw. I've also seen variations where tori sticks a hip in there to add a fulcrum around which uke can spin.

A lot of techniques can be dynamic, really. I've had ushiro ate done to me where my feet have left the ground entirely and my body ends up horizontal. It wasn't intentional, but the circumstances were just right. And it was all my doing, not tori's. He wasn't trying to get a big air fall out of it; we was just setting up a condition. My own, shall we say "enthusiasm" as uke prompted a more dramatic fall than the standard sit-down backfall.

Conversely, kote gaeshi doesn't have to illicit a large flip in the air. Tori simply sets up a condition; maybe uke flips, maybe he sits down. I think the moment I start thinking I have to create an acrobatic fall, I start adding energy, trying to dictate when the throw happens rather than let uke throw himself, or heaven forbid get ahead of him, and well, that gives uke plenty of opportunity to reverse the dumb thing on me.

Back to irimi nage. I've been playing with entering the way our Ueshiba brethren do it (and many times including the use of the other hand in the small of uke's back as in the video above, which works wonderfully). The one thing I don't do is try to make a throw. Rather, I just keep moving (stopping your butt is a common side-effect when trying to make a throw happen, one that can also lead to problems). If I simply set up the condition, and keep walking, always matching uke's speed, he finds he just can't walk backwards while his spine is bent back very efficiently. My hand doesn't push down, but simply lowers a little bit with every step uke takes. Light, no effort, uke falls in a nice sit-down backfall.

Not very flashy, but so far, it's been rather successful. I'm not saying that it's right or better, or anything. Just another interesting pit stop on my journey.

Comments

  1. That is an interesting question - how we got to calling this thing aikinage. I have always felt like this thing is "THE aiki throw" because it is so universally characteristic of aikido. It seems like Tomiki split the Irimi idea up into at least 3-5 of our atemiwaza...

    Anyway, I've always rationalized calling it aikinage because it seems to be "THE aiki throw"

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  2. BTW - fabulous blog you have here! I'm really enjoying your near-daily dose of aiki-ideas!

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  3. actually the odd use of "aikinage" is not tied broadly to Tomiki aikido per se but only to the lineage from Houston-- and the murky history of the Big 10--I suspect that the Big 10 originated there with exercises that Kogure Sensei taught in the 70's and after his departure the exercise became codified as a kata and the names were cooked up later by some creative gaijin -- this is probably also true of the names asocaited with the releases -- when Miyake Sensei visited OKC in the 90's she saw a chart we had on the wall of all the names of stuff-- I remebered she asked about Hanasu-no-kata and i explained those are the releases to which she noted " but those dont have names" -- i never pinned down where those names came from but heard a rumor that they came from Merrit Stevens from Ohio--

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  4. Huh, I never knew that the big 10 didn't come from the Tomiki system. After looking through that aikido book on your desk by Neil Saunders I wondered why the Big 10 wasn't in there! Fascinating...

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  5. Here is a conversation going on at Ebudo on big 10

    http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40710

    In Waddell Sensei's school a Jiyushinkai affiliate in the 1990s we practiced 17 sen no sen, and big 10 go no sen initiative. The initiative was the difference in the practice.

    When Kihara went all go-no-sen I did not understand why the big 10 was kept.


    Aikinage is a stupid name. Every Aiki system I have trained under has one throw named aiki nage. Calling the 5th move in the Big10 irimi nage does not work for me either, since the atemi waza all us this idea.

    Maybe a more poetic approach "kaze nage" I like that.

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